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 Post subject: Yet another food question
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:07 pm 
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Murphy has always had a bit of a dodgy tum. Intended to try a more raw approach before Christmas, didn't get around to it then had a very dodgy tum after christmas meds from the vet but still neded to proceed with caution. He is on csj command performance puppy which they recomend pups going onto adult 6 months. When it came to change decided to try a more hightly rated food, went for applaws, result bad wind and more dogy poos. put him back on csj puppy fine again have tried to introduce adult seemed o.k. last week, had a bone from butchers over weekend a little sick this morning and more dodgy poo's. He has become a manic chewer so was concerned that it was bits of bone, then not sure if it is the kibble or meat from bone. He can at times get very windy following meat or high quality treats for training e.g. sausage. Going to put him on chicken n rice for a few days. Appreciate any thoughts.

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 Post subject: Re: Yet another food question
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:19 pm 
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I expect you did the change to applaws gradually, but if not that could have caused a problem with his tum. Was it a marrow bone you gave him? Sometimes the marrow can be too rich until they are used to it, WIth Beamish's first marrow bone I scooped a lot of the marrow out first, and even now I limit them to an hour with a marrow bone, then double wrap it and put it in the fridge. They can have it as long as they like on the next day.

Wind is often generated by food high in carbs - meat is digested in the small intestine by enzymes, but carbs are processed in the large intstine more by bacterial action than anything else - more a fermentation than a digestion, and that can generate gas, but any digestive upset can lead to food being passed throug hto the large intesting only partially digested.

Sometimes giving a pro-biotic supplement such as this http://www.thefulvicacidcompany.com/ful ... nswer.html can get the digestion back on track - it's good when introducing new foods too.

Poor Murphy - I hope his tum gets sorted soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Yet another food question
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:29 pm 
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Thanks Bid, yes did introduce applaws over a number of days. Didn't realise about marrow in his first bones but noticed some posts refering to it on here so remove most of it now, the last one wasn't a marrow bone. Tried bone again tonight, binned it now as he broke a piece of it off. Probably just got sensitive tum, didn't cope too well with cheese or eggs. What confuses me is 'the too much protein theory' and he does seem to suffer wind etc with higher protein foods. Will try chicken n rice for a few days (he woofed it tonight). Will have a look at the sight you recommended. He seems fine in himself just wish I could sort his food out

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 Post subject: Re: Yet another food question
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The "too much protein" thing is a bit of a myth tbh - it generally used when referring to complete foods, but you have to look at the whole food - all the ingredients and not just the protein. For example CSJ puppy foods have a good few grains in them, which could be responsible for creating sugars that are quickly absorbed into the bloodstream causing a rapid rise in blood sugar levels. That would be just as likely to cause bursts of energy as the level of protein.

A lot of dogs can't tolerate dairy products, so I would drop the cheese while you get his tummy sorted.

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