including the UK Labradoodle Register
email: info@labradoodle.org.uk
It is currently 23 Nov 2014, 07:51

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 675 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 ... 45  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 04 Feb 2013, 21:10 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 20:30
Posts: 17870
Location: South Dorset
There is another area that concerns me. As someone who is spending a lot of money, time and effort to train as a canine behaviourist, I am well aware of the complexities involved in training dogs, and I would like to know what qualifications those responsible for training these dogs have. So far there has been little said about the actual training of the dogs (other than the costs mentioned in the accounts), and listening to what has been said about the doodles who at 14 months didn't even know their own names, I have very real concerns about the standard and quality of the trainers involved.

_________________
www.dogtrekker.co.uk
Image
Beauty without vanity, strength without insolence, courage without ferocity, and all the virtues of man without his vices - Byron


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 04 Feb 2013, 21:19 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 05 May 2006, 12:32
Posts: 1000
Location: Hants
Taken from an article in http://www.bartononsea-probusclub.co.uk ... ility.html

Training is started by being ‘socialized’ with various volunteers, to avoid them becoming attached to any one person, and learning the simple commands that can be utilised in their later training. Andy and Jenny use many of the training methods outlined in the book ‘Puppies for Dummies’ and have so far achieved 100% success compared with the major charities 70-75% success rate – and as Andy was at pains to point out, all funds raised are spent on the dogs and their training, not on wages and expensive head offices!

_________________
http://www.creamofbritish-australianlabradoodles.com
http://www.creamofbritish-australianlabradoodles.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 04 Feb 2013, 22:05 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 20:30
Posts: 17870
Location: South Dorset
freedom wrote:
Taken from an article in http://www.bartononsea-probusclub.co.uk ... ility.html

Training is started by being ‘socialized’ with various volunteers, to avoid them becoming attached to any one person, and learning the simple commands that can be utilised in their later training. Andy and Jenny use many of the training methods outlined in the book ‘Puppies for Dummies’ and have so far achieved 100% success compared with the major charities 70-75% success rate – and as Andy was at pains to point out, all funds raised are spent on the dogs and their training, not on wages and expensive head offices!


No! Surely not!

_________________
www.dogtrekker.co.uk
Image
Beauty without vanity, strength without insolence, courage without ferocity, and all the virtues of man without his vices - Byron


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2013, 02:19 
Offline

Joined: 29 Mar 2012, 14:32
Posts: 328
Bid wrote:
freedom wrote:
Taken from an article in http://www.bartononsea-probusclub.co.uk ... ility.html

Training is started by being ‘socialized’ with various volunteers, to avoid them becoming attached to any one person, and learning the simple commands that can be utilised in their later training. Andy and Jenny use many of the training methods outlined in the book ‘Puppies for Dummies’ and have so far achieved 100% success compared with the major charities 70-75% success rate – and as Andy was at pains to point out, all funds raised are spent on the dogs and their training, not on wages and expensive head offices!


No! Surely not!


This Has been cut and pasted from the only accounts of Woofability lodged with the Charity Commission
Woofability Assistance Dogs Ltd
(Company registered by guarantee)
Charity registered number 1135756
Notes to the Financial Statements
for the Period 9 February 2010 to 28 February 2011
Woofability Assistance Dogs Ltd
(Company registered by guarantee)
Charity registered number 1135756


Notes to the Financial Statements ( continued)
for the Period 9 February 2010 to 28 February 2011
7. RESOURCESEXPENDED
Charitable Governance
Activities Costs

Dog training costs £6,699



8. RELATED PARTIES
No remuneration was paid to any of the Trustees.
The charity has been using the home of Mr and Mrs Clarke for housing the dogs and a payment of £1,404
has been made to Mr and Mrs Clarke for this.
Because of the disruption to their home it was necessary for some of Mr and Mrs Clarke's furniture etc to
be put in store and the charity has paid £1,054 to cover this expense.
The telephone costs of £360 and motor expenses of £9,600 have been paid to Mr and Mrs Clarke to
represent their costs that have been incurred on behalf of the charity.
The costs as stated have been approved by the other Trustees but no confirmatory paperwork/invoices or
claims have been seen to support these payments.
There are charges totalling £6,699 from Woofability Community Interest Company for dog training costs.
Mr and Mrs Clarke are directors of that company.

Woofability Community Interest Company was paid for dog training costs.

and Woofability Community Interest Company has been "Dissolved"
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//comp ... 28&#result
So who is now doing the dog training?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2013, 08:52 
Offline

Joined: 20 Sep 2009, 15:05
Posts: 181
Location: East Dorset
Thank you Andy for taking the time to reply, much appreciated. It's good to hear you were proactive involving the RSPA in the refit of the kennels and I appreciate the move must have made things difficult.

Also good to hear there are now dogs out in the community and look forward to reading about them in due course. I totally get that this is new for both the dog and partner and both will need time to adapt before any publicity was done. I would however like to know the exact number of dogs who are now partnered (question 1)

Also what's the number of dogs in foster homes and how long is this phase of the training (question 2)

I still have concerns regarding Ella's obvious lack of socialisation around cars and the Hoover which to the layman would be a vital part of training any dog, but especially an Assistance dog. Please could you comment on this (question 3)

As many new dog owners I spent many hours in a drafty village hall with my dog at training classes. I found it very interesting how the classes differ with differing techniques (we tried a few classes until we found the right one). I am therefore very interested in the training methods you use. I'm not familiar with Puppies for Dummies as I only bought Gwen Bailey's 'Perfect Puppy' . Could you give an overview of your training procedure (question 4)

Also is it just you and Jenny who do the training or do you have outside help, and if so, what are their qualifications (question 5).

I'm assuming that the quote from your last Charity Commision return regarding training costs to the now dissolved company is the original company you set up for the Charity. I'm wondering about the time scale of it's dissolution, I would have expected it to be when you took Charity status , why March 2012 ? ( question 6)

I have a special interest in Willow, would you mind letting me know what she's been up to ? (question 7)

It seems to me that a lot of the questions people have been asking are the type of things that would be good in a community newsletter so the people who have donated are kept fully informed on the progress of the dogs from the early days to being partnered. It something I think a lot of people are interested in as they really do feel charities such as yours do such interesting work and are keen to learn more.

The bit above also covers the accountable and transparent aspect of the Charity Commission's Guidelines. I think you need to consider how best to achieve this as these guidelines are for your protection as much as anything. I had a year on a PTA as Treasurer and know how hard fundraising can be . We were very aware that you can't keep everyone happy all the time and that as Trustees we had certain legal duties so to cover ourselves we had regular newsletters trying to preempt the issues we felt people would want to know and encourage them to come forward and ask any questions they still had.

It seems to me that if you had a newsletter that covered how many new puppies are sponsored, how many have progressed to the Foster Home stage, how many are partnered and a bit on the training, combined with inviting representatives from the many people who donate each year, then you wouldn't need to deal with questions on boards such as these as the information would be all out there. I know you've got your hands full with the dogs but I'm sure you'd have lots of volunteers - it strikes me as I type it would be a good exercise for some business studies students and would make a good article for the local paper - local charity offers work experience to local school . Maybe Ferndown Upper could do it as they are sponsoring Willow and are based where Woofability started ?

I know I've written a lot but I feel passionate about the benefits to people's lives from assistance dogs and just want to see Woofability moving forward into the future free from the controversy currently surrounding it. I look forward to hearing from you and thank you in advance for the time spent out of your busy schedule in answering my questions.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2013, 10:10 
Offline

Joined: 20 Sep 2009, 15:05
Posts: 181
Location: East Dorset
Footnote to my post, always think of things in the car! Further to my suggestion about Ferndown Upper and Business Studies students to do a newsletter for you, I remembered that Mrs Sennington, an English teacher, fostered Chester and Willow for you back in 2010. I believe Willow is the dog who the school sponsored. Mrs Sennington is an excellent English teacher and I was thinking it would also be an excellent project for A level English Language students, who could write different versions and examine the role different styles of writing play in writing informational literature.

They could also write a piece for the school newsletter to update the school on Willow's progress and the great news that a new phase has started with dogs now being active in the Community. They'd only need to visit once, a couple of hours of your time, when they've got the figures the rest could be done in class. They've got a Mini Bus so wouldn't have a problem getting to you - a fair few pupils do live in Verwood.

Finally I think you are to some extent a victim of the backlash after the Savile Case. This has now introduced suspicion into the Public Mind that people who raise money do sometimes use it as a front for other things. Which links back into being as transparent as possible, more important than ever in this climate to protect yourselves. And please note, I am absolutely not accusing you of anything, I can just see the added challenges Charities are now facing as a result of Savile and trying to be something of a 'Critical Friend' as I believe School Govenors are required to be. I'm saying this as a charity supporter looking at a situation from the outside and tryng to be objective and feel I would be very remiss in not saying this. I think the Newsletter and Ferndown Upper School would be an excellent way of taking the transparency element forward, great publicity for yourselves to let everyone know what you've achieved with the generous donations received - and I bet the Head would be persuaded to have another Mufti day in aid of Woofability as well, so extra funds. Win Win situation from where I'm sitting. I will now finally finish (can hear the sighs of relief from everyone !)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2013, 10:43 
Offline

Joined: 27 Dec 2012, 20:02
Posts: 4
Dear Kittypickle,
Willow has been partnered for the past 4 months and is doing well, we will confirm the partnership after 6 months and then we will publicise the partnership and take her into Ferndown Upper for the children and staff to see the results of their efforts and generosity.
I will not enter into correspondence with people we do not know and will not be inviting any of the correspondents who have criticised us to visit. However, you clearly have a local connection and are taking a balanced view so I would be happy to discuss some of your other points when you make yourself known to us.
Andy


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2013, 11:51 
Offline

Joined: 20 Feb 2012, 12:45
Posts: 3417
andywoofability wrote:
I will not enter into correspondence with people we do not know and will not be inviting any of the correspondents who have criticised us to visit.


Well that tells me all I need to know about your "charity" Andy :roll:

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2013, 12:12 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 20:30
Posts: 17870
Location: South Dorset
andywoofability wrote:
I will not enter into correspondence with people we do not know and will not be inviting any of the correspondents who have criticised us to visit.
Andy


I guess that means you won't invite me to look around :( . I started out with a wish to find out more about what was going on, but your avoidance of the questions raised, added to the video evidence regarding the behaviour of the labradoodles removed from your care have led me to believe that yes, there are some very real concerns surrounding the Woofability dogs. I too have for many years been involved in fundraising for charity, and I know that in the current economic climate there is only so much money to go around, and it saddens me to think that people in Dorset are innocently raising money which is not being used as well as it should be.

_________________
www.dogtrekker.co.uk
Image
Beauty without vanity, strength without insolence, courage without ferocity, and all the virtues of man without his vices - Byron


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2013, 19:32 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2008, 13:51
Posts: 730
Location: Manchester
Andy...

Why was the dog called 'Charity' at 8 months old, UNDERWEIGHT, SMELLING OF URINE, NOT TOILET TRAINED, UNABLE TO RECALL, DID NOT KNOW HER OWN NAME, COULD NOT SIT, LIE DOWN OR STAY AND WAS BADLY MATTED WITH A SEVERELY BAD HEAD SHAKE DUE TO INFECTED AND FILTHY EARS FROM SHEER NEGLECT ?

Its not a difficult question.

Why when she was DONATED did a local women's group raise money for you to PURCHASE her ?

_________________
Image

www.northboundaustralianlabradoodles.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2013, 19:44 
Offline

Joined: 20 Feb 2012, 12:45
Posts: 3417
Excellent questions Ben - I hope you've put them to the ITV reporter!

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2013, 23:51 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 31 Aug 2008, 22:15
Posts: 531
Andy each time you comment my concerns grow! I am not out to get you, just to find out the truth.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 06 Feb 2013, 08:45 
Offline

Joined: 20 Sep 2009, 15:05
Posts: 181
Location: East Dorset
andywoofability wrote:
Dear Kittypickle,
Willow has been partnered for the past 4 months and is doing well, we will confirm the partnership after 6 months and then we will publicise the partnership and take her into Ferndown Upper for the children and staff to see the results of their efforts and generosity.
I will not enter into correspondence with people we do not know and will not be inviting any of the correspondents who have criticised us to visit. However, you clearly have a local connection and are taking a balanced view so I would be happy to discuss some of your other points when you make yourself known to us.
Andy



Thank you again Andy for coming back to me. I'm delighted to hear Willow is doing well and partnered. I'm sure the children will very much appreciate a visit. I think they are lucky to have the chance to have seen her progression from pup to fully trained dog and I think your visits to the many schools have done a lot to help children think what life is like in a wheelchair - in a way they would never have done before, so a big well done on that.

I will happily make myself known to you when I see you around next. However my Mum is in the process of being diagnosed with an ultimately terminal condition and I am in the middle of constant GP, hospital, social services and solicitor visits so not getting out and about as normal. It could be some be before things get back to normal for me.

Trying to look at it from both sides here. I totally get that you are feeling aggrieved and attacked here and no one would dispute you have been. As I said, a brief stint opened my eyes as to how hard it is to be a charity and how you feel at times you can't please everyone no try , and I think that is in fact the reality. I guess this is where the Charity Commissions Accountable and Transparent Guidelines come in. I think they are very much for Trustees protection as much as anything .

I could be anyone of the thousands of people in Dorset, Hampshire and Wiltshire who have donated and therefore have an interest. I get you don't want to enter into dialogue with those people who have criticised but unfortunately as a Trustee it's part of the territory. I've looked over my previous questions again and trying to be as impartial and objective as I can, I think I'd be hard pushed to find anyone who wouldn't agree that with the exception of the question regarding Willow (my personal interest) everything else is just information that should be in the public domain. Therefore I would be very grateful if you would address them here. I think if you do this, there would be an end to all the speculation on this thread so urge you to be the bigger person, put your grievances to one side, do a quick post to address each question and put an end this dispute. That way everyone's blood pressure can go back to normal, GP's (no doubt including yours) can breathe a collective sigh of relief and you can get back to focusing on Woofability in peace !


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 06 Feb 2013, 22:32 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 31 Aug 2008, 22:15
Posts: 531
Thanks kitty I think you are a good mediating presence - I just feel exasperated that my concerns have never had a response - initially I felt I was neutral in my questions but increasingly as my concerns are not answered I become more and more concerned.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Where did Woofability go?
PostPosted: 07 Feb 2013, 10:38 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 15 Jul 2012, 23:53
Posts: 1123
Location: North Wales
michala wrote:
I just feel exasperated that my concerns have never had a response - initially I felt I was neutral in my questions but increasingly as my concerns are not answered I become more and more concerned.
I feel the same way. My initial comments on a now deleted thread were precautionary regarding the damage which can be inflicted upon a charity which in a public forum. I started by asking woofability to show us that there was nothing corrupt about the charity to try to satisfy malcontents. But woofability responded in poor fashion tarring everyone with the same brush on this forum. Since then Andy has been quite aggressive in manner towards people who have posted in the woofability threads. This has served purely to make me distrust the charity and its directors. As Andy refuses to answer simple questions and more people who have evidence against woofability come forwards I become quite distrustful and angry towards woofability. Andy is doing himself no favours by refusing to enter proper dialogue with people who are genuinely concerned about animal welfare. We are not trolls trying to cause problems, just concerned members of the public.

_________________
Gav & Becks.
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 675 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 ... 45  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
| More


Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group