Raw! Help!

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Raw! Help!

Post by Jay128 » 11 Jun 2013, 19:48

Poppies kibble is coming to its end, she has had some raw meals, only the stuff from pets at home and she loved it. So I am slowly persuading hubby to allow me to fed her raw on a permanent basis, she has been on JWB kibble and meat. I weighed her at the vets this evening and she weighed 14.15 kg I am rubbish at maths and he said she should have 1400gm of raw, that cannot be right surely, its masses. I have put it back in the bag until a maths wiz out there tells me how much she should really have, please :lol:
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Post by Doodle Dee » 11 Jun 2013, 20:09

Lulu is 12.6 kilo am working towards giving her 260 to 390 grms a day (based on her being 13kilos (thanks to a very knowledgeable person on this forum))

Also Nurture by Nature give a very good fact sheet and if you phone they are very helpful

I believe if they are puppies the ratio is different whilst they are growing

Hark at me trying to help when Lulu has just been on raw for 24 hours (and one of those meals was JWB)

She does love it though but buries the bones still
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Post by jackieholmes19 » 11 Jun 2013, 20:57

It's only up to 10% for puppies. For adult dogs it's 2/3% of body weight - not quite sure when they are considered to be an adult though! :| Bella is 20k and is having about 900g per day :D
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Post by suebedo » 11 Jun 2013, 21:09

Does this help? (edit - I've just seen how it looks once submitted and will have another think - maybe it'll let me do a screen dump!)

Wt in kg Wt in g 1% 2% 3% 4% 5% 6% 7% 8% 9% 10%
5 5000 50 100 150 200 250 300 350 400 450 500
6 6000 60 120 180 240 300 360 420 480 540 600
7 7000 70 140 210 280 350 420 490 560 630 700
8 8000 80 160 240 320 400 480 560 640 720 800
9 9000 90 180 270 360 450 540 630 720 810 900
10 10000 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000
12 12000 120 240 360 480 600 720 840 960 1080 1200
14 14000 140 280 420 560 700 840 980 1120 1260 1400
16 16000 160 320 480 640 800 960 1120 1280 1440 1600
18 18000 180 360 540 720 900 1080 1260 1440 1620 1800
20 20000 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1600 1800 2000
25 25000 250 500 750 1000 1250 1500 1750 2000 2250 2500
30 30000 300 600 900 1200 1500 1800 2100 2400 2700 3000
35 35000 350 700 1050 1400 1750 2100 2450 2800 3150 3500
40 40000 400 800 1200 1600 2000 2400 2800 3200 3600 4000

I can't see how to attach a spreadsheet to the page so I've had to copy and paste it in which loses the gridlines that make it easier to read.

If you look down to the weight of the dog and then decide how much percentage you want to feed depending on age and current "feel" of body, go along the percentage column to find your daily food requirement in grams.

So a 14kg puppy can have UP TO 1400 grams of food per day. However, you should use the age of the puppy to guide you towards the percentage to feed so if they are nearly fully grown they will be getting toward the 1 -2% column which adult dogs get. Fozzie is about 26 kg now at 7 months and we are feeding him 800g per day this week which is roughly 3%. I'll feel his ribs on Sunday and decide if the 800g should go up or down next week (and look at his poo of course :lol: :lol: ).

If you find the table easy and want the spreadsheet, pm me your email address (I don't think I can see it but could be wrong) and I will email it too you.
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Post by suebedo » 11 Jun 2013, 21:27

Success! That took a lot of thought for someone who has not had to do hard thinking or clicking for 6 whole months now!!!!!

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Post by jackieholmes19 » 11 Jun 2013, 21:39

suebedo wrote:Success! That took a lot of thought for someone who has not had to do hard thinking or clicking for 6 whole months now!!!!!

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I'm impressed! :D
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Post by Bid » 11 Jun 2013, 21:44

The guidelines say up to 10% for puppies, and 2-3% for adults as alreay mentioned, but you also have to factor in things like exercise. Daisy has about 1.5% as she isn't as active as a lot of dogs. Over time you get to work it out going by their weight.
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Post by blueboysgirl » 11 Jun 2013, 22:14

suebedo wrote:Success! That took a lot of thought for someone who has not had to do hard thinking or clicking for 6 whole months now!!!!!

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is this per day??
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Post by suebedo » 11 Jun 2013, 22:17

Yes - per day.
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Post by Jay128 » 11 Jun 2013, 22:57

Thank you so much for all the input.
I think I have been doing something dreadfully wrong! Poppy gets two feeds a day JWB meat tray 300 grams split between two meals with two large handfuls of kibble with each feed as well. She gets a tripe stick when I go to work and lots of treats when out walking.
Have I been starving her?

It takes her time to eat her breakfast, she never rushes to it.
She never begs for food.
When I raised the amount the first time she ate it but when I tried again she left it in her bowl and I ended up throwing it away so I lowered it again.

The treats she gets are liver cake, black pudding, cheese, chicken rolls from pet shop and sometimes hot dog and she always has access to clean water.
She always has to be asked to come to her food but will try to steal the cat food given the chance.
If I put raw down for her she carries the beef bits out to the garden and it's gone in minutes, she loves it.

She is 17 inches to her shoulder and 14.15 kgs, it was about 8 weeks since I last measured her and she has not grown at all and has put on about 2 kg since last weighed, have I stunted her growth? :shock:
I feel awful. :roll: :shock: :roll: :shock:

She just doesn't seem hungry.

Now I am waffling :roll: :roll: :roll:

The question is do I start her on the same amount of raw or up it considerably?
Have I done her any damage?
If I have can I fix it?

I am one very worried, very bad mum!
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Post by Bid » 12 Jun 2013, 00:19

Don't panic! At 7 months her growth will be slowing down considerably, and you are not far off the adult amount of food. It would be worth slowly adding just a little bit to her food and seeing if she eats it. If she doesn't and is still as lively as usual then don't fret about it. Maybe she is like my Poppy, who eats what she needs and no more - Poppy doesn't always eat a meal and I've learnt not to worry. Just check that whatever you are feeding her is sold as a complete food with the right balance of meat, bone and offal and she will be fine (some are sold as "part of a raw food diet" and you need to add offal, or meat to them).
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Post by suebedo » 12 Jun 2013, 07:15

If she is happy and healthy I'm sure she is fine! Don't forget weight of kibble required is different to raw and the feeding guides on the packets are notorious for encouraging over feeding! It's a good sales ploy though :shock:

I hope the chart didn't freak you out - I now use it to check that the weight I am feeding is within the %age range for the puppies, not really to decide the weight to feed if you see what I mean. When I first started, i used the chart to decide how much to feed as I felt completely lost and needed a starting point. The chart allowed me to choose a percentage and then see how they went and adjust up and down accordingly.

As Bid has said, exercise plays a big part in how much they need to eat.

I check ribs weekly (Fozzie is getting a little too well covered at the moment) and feel and look at their waist.
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Post by Doodle Dee » 12 Jun 2013, 07:47

oh Jay 128 :) :) :)

I totally underfed lulu when she was a puppy!! I read the instructions wrong - didn't read it that the "adult weight would be..." It was only when I asked Pets at Home for a cup to measure the kibble that i found I was wrong.

I panicked one of my first posts on here was about that. I was obviously reassured, I felt awful, so I know where you are coming wrong when I "thought" I was under feeding her. Thought being the operative word here whatever I was doing she was okay, she was very very energetic and there was no harm done. The vet checked her and she was fine. So dont worry.

I thing Lulu is quite small for a mini (not as small as Lola)and as you know all the doodles seem to be different sizes whatever they are.

Lulu was very fussy with her kibble which is why I am feeding her raw - but I think she will start being fussy with that sooner or later anyway. She is like a camel will eat nicely and bring a smile to my face and then be well fussy!

As for bones - she buries them and thats it -either in the house or garden. I am persevering cos what dogs dont like gobbling bones - well a fussy doodle.

I think all this is to say dont worry as Suebedo says as long as she is happy healthy and not lethargic she is fine. I would think you would actually have to starve her to stunt growth :D
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Post by Doodle Dee » 12 Jun 2013, 07:47

oh Jay 128 :) :) :)

I totally underfed lulu when she was a puppy!! I read the instructions wrong - didn't read it that the "adult weight would be..." It was only when I asked Pets at Home for a cup to measure the kibble that i found I was wrong.

I panicked one of my first posts on here was about that. I was obviously reassured, I felt awful, so I know where you are coming wrong when I "thought" I was under feeding her. Thought being the operative word here whatever I was doing she was okay, she was very very energetic and there was no harm done. The vet checked her and she was fine. So dont worry.

I thing Lulu is quite small for a mini (not as small as Lola)and as you know all the doodles seem to be different sizes whatever they are.

Lulu was very fussy with her kibble which is why I am feeding her raw - but I think she will start being fussy with that sooner or later anyway. She is like a camel will eat nicely and bring a smile to my face and then be well fussy!

As for bones - she buries them and thats it -either in the house or garden. I am persevering cos what dogs dont like gobbling bones - well a fussy doodle.

I think all this is to say dont worry as Suebedo says as long as she is happy healthy and not lethargic she is fine. I would think you would actually have to starve her to stunt growth :D
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Post by Doodle Dee » 12 Jun 2013, 07:55

Just to ADD that I called her down for her breakfast (raw) and she still looks and smells tentatively (doesnt eat quickly) as if to say "hmmm what have i got now"

Istill hold my breath to see IF she will eat
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