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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
PostPosted: 15 Jun 2009, 19:00 
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Sadly it's quite possible for a pups parents to have great hip scores, but for a pup to have a problem - good parental hip scores are good, but not an insurance against your pup having problems :(

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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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Foxisle are a commercial breeder, but I don't think that necessarily qualifies them as a puppy farm. I got Freddie from Foxisle and would definitely use them again on account of him being such a fabulous healthy dog. They might have a lot of breeding bitches but as far as I could see they are well looked after.

On the other hand, Darcey is a puppy farm dog (via rescue). She is doing great now but had her problems at the start (stunted growth, bad case of worms and I had to cut the cr*p off her legs), and of course I know nothing of her history - unlike Freddie where I have a 5 generation family tree and a lifetime guarantee of advice from the breeder.

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Labradoodlebella - I've pm'd you. I think they are sisters. Daisy was 3 on the 3rd June 2006

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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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Is this the same Foxisle that takes in bitches to be bred at the age of one with no health tests?


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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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I can't be since I got copies of mum and dad's health test certs.

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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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soozern wrote:
Is this the same Foxisle that takes in bitches to be bred at the age of one with no health tests?


I am afraid it is. I am in the search for a puppy and visited the premises last week. They had a very young dog at year old getting bred. She looked lovely but unfortunately no health tests had been done at all. :(


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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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The dog being bred is buffy, i have just added a new topic regarding this - she has had no health tests and is 1 year old on her 1st season, please dont go to foxisle or buy the puppies fro m this litter, the breeder in sunderland is irresponsible.


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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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Since posting under "Buffy" I've just read this. Surely if all you posting on here that believe anything is wrong or illegal is happening, at any breeders anywhere, it is your duty to report them? At least contact the RSPCA (you don't have to say who you are).
It's up to dog lovers like us to stop all these puppies coming into this world, just for a fast buck. Lots of them will have health and behaviour problems and once they get past the pretty puppy stage and the novelty has worn off and something is wrong,
then the likes of the RSPCA have to pick up the pieces and most likely have to be put down. And only one person benefits.
Perhaps the old dog licence should be reintroduced. At the correct amount it would stop the "I'm getting a dog brigade" who just buy a puppy on a whim.
That would stop or a least slow up all the "Bandwagoners" that jump on for the ride!

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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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But there isn't anything illegal being done. The dog are apparently well cared for, so the RSPCA aren't interested, and they aren't KC registered, so the KC aren't interested.......... It's up to the owners to research buying a puppy properly, and for those of us who do know to educate them.

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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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Hi Barney Boy, Yes I understand what you are saying. But having read the update on the "Buffy" posting re the dogs age etc and looked at the Breeders? website, it definately looks like a puppy farm.
There are several breeds of dogs listed and lots of customer feedback about how good they are. But any one can do that, whos going to question it.
But if I was looking for a Doodle or any breed, my concern would start upon checking the web and a visit would confirm to me this breeder was a puppy farm. I cannot bear to think how many puppies must they generate, it looks like they are making a fortune from those poor dogs.
Makes me really mad & sad that this can go on and no regulations to control it.
The KC are a waste of space :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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Isn't there a minimum age that bitches can be bred from? Is Buffy over that - does anyone know?

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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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I have been very interested in this thread because Ruby came from Foxisle last year.
When we decided to buy a Doodle we couldnt find any locally but Foxisle had put an advert in the local yellow free ads.

We travelled the 150 miles after speaking in depth to the breeder who seemed to know her stuff especially warning us about the non moulting being a bit of farce and that a only a few doodles actually do not moult. When we arrived I was a bit concerned about the amount of litters they had, but to be truthful the building they were in was imaculate, the puppys were clean and both parents could be seen, which is one of the main criteria. The breeder did say that they were not breeding any more Labradoodles as there was too many cheap puppys flooding the market from Wales and Irealand !

Kev and I have long since debated wether it was a puppy farm or not, but you know what its like once your there and that puppy picks you its fatal. They did actually let us have Ruby cheaper cos she wasnt curly/wavy coated.

I have to say though Ruby is a fantastic dog and has never had any health problems (touch wood) The only problem we had was getting her clean which is proberly to do with her living outside with her litter mates, Our new pup Bonnie was born within a family home and after 2 weeks is virtually clean. I think we all know that there will always be people just breeding for the money and all the time there is a demand they will carry on doing so

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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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Don't confuse 'seeing both the parents' and 'seeing the Mother with the pups' - you should always see the mother with the pups - this ensures to a good degree that the people showing you the litter are the breeders, not puppy farmers who import.

Seeing BOTH the parents may indicate that this mating was for convenience/economic reasons rather than a chosen stud dog to balance any weak points the bitch may have - it's not just a matter of bunging any male and female dog together.

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 Post subject: Re: foxisle gundogs -has anyone heard of this breeder
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Bid wrote:
Isn't there a minimum age that bitches can be bred from? Is Buffy over that - does anyone know?

It's illegal to breed a Bitch under twelve months, (Animal Welfare Bill 2007)
In my opinion this bill should be amended and the minimum age should be two.
Petition anyone???

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