Play Biting

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Play Biting

Post by MontyDog » 15 Apr 2012, 20:08

We have a 9 week old puppy who is obsessed with play fighting with me and my husband. But the problem is because he has those very sharp puppy teeth, he has actually drawn blood from both of us by accident. I always tell him 'No' or make my 'negative' noise and then redirect his attention to a chew toy. The problem is that this doesn't seem to be working for him at all. He jumps right back in there and goes for my hands again. Apart from this being very painful, I am worried about the antisocial aspects of this when he meets other people. Is this behaviour normal? Is there something else that I could try? Any other suggestions?
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Re: Play Biting

Post by nutttymutts » 15 Apr 2012, 20:19

when the teeth touch human skin SQUEEL as loud as you can then put pup in create or out of the room saying nothing. do this every time he will soon learn as soon as he is not giving excitable behaviour through time out on his own because he will want to be with you not on his own.


opps forgot to say each time

start with 10 seconds and each session of doing this add 5 more seconds on until you reach 2-3 minutes which to a pup is eternity..

when play start after a long session of no play that is when you start with the 10 second build ups
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Re: Play Biting

Post by Alfieandlindsey » 15 Apr 2012, 21:02

No advice I'm afraid as alfie was a tinker at this and we shouted owwwww he just bit more!! Only good news I can offer is he did grow out of it but not as quick as I hoped! X
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Re: Play Biting

Post by The Turners » 15 Apr 2012, 21:07

It’s very normal so don’t worry :D . He’s just learning what’s acceptable behaviour. We “cried” and then stopped play. It does take time though, so don’t worry that he’s not getting it straight away :D . Sorry I don’t have different advice to what your already doing. Good Luck :D .
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Re: Play Biting

Post by eileenandmolly » 15 Apr 2012, 21:32

It's puppy behaviour, and he is very young so it's early days in his learning. I would suggest - squeal, as his litter mates would, and withdraw from the "game" - divert his attention by all means, but the moment his little sharp teeth touch your skin again, squeal again, and remove your hands etc from the "game" (you may even have to remove yourselves entirely, ie to another room away from him, if he is persistent......you just have to keep repeating that until he gets the message! And he will get the message eventually!

As regards visitors, I'd suggest you ask them to do the same..........but if they are a bit less confident, then I would suggest you remove him at the first attempted nip (to somewhere else - not his bed/crate/safe haven but eg a "naughty step") and keep returning him/removing him until he gets the message!!!

Good luck!! You WILL get there - this phase doesn't last long if you nip it in the bud!!
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Re: Play Biting

Post by Sarah R » 15 Apr 2012, 21:38

Hi, we've been going through the exact same with our Harry. I posted a similar cry for help! He's 12 weeks now and there's been a big improvement in the past week or so thank goodness. We're trying to be consistent with the loud yelp and time outs and he is gradually getting better.
A really good tip someone gave which really helped, especially with the children, was to put a thin layer of butter, peanut butter, bovril on your hand and let them lick, keep saying lick and they'll soon learn licking is much more fun than biting! :lol: Good Luck x
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Re: Play Biting

Post by Rowan11 » 15 Apr 2012, 21:42

good advice given already - with luna i would shout NO and either move away from her or physically move her away - just remember its just a phase and will pass :D i remember the days when we couldnt sit on the sofa without our toes being nipped :lol:
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Re: Play Biting

Post by LakeDistrictDoodle » 15 Apr 2012, 22:34

We stopped Dorcas from biting by teaching her to lick. We never did the squeel thing so I can't say that it would not of worked for her.
We would put something close to hand to just wipe onto our hand (butter/jam/honey/kong paste etc) and if the play fighting got too rough we would just dab a bit on and let her sniff it, she would then lick and we would praise her for it.

That all said....she is now one hell of a licker, everyone gets kisses me/hubby/the neighbours and total strangers if she can get near enough, lol.

It is a stopable thing and they will all out grow it one way or another, good luck :D
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Re: Play Biting

Post by sandyandbeanie » 16 Apr 2012, 08:15

This is something every puppy goes through and they all grow out of it (eventually!) I was super careful with Sandy but she still went through a phase where eating my hand was better than any toy or chew I could temp her with! :roll:

You've had some great advice already on this thread so there is nothing really to add except that I would advise against putting him in the crate to stop him as a) it should be his sanctuary as previously mentioned and b) dogs are not the same as children, they do not understand the concept of 'time out'. So although it may stop the behavior eventually, it won't be without lots of stress and confusion from puppy. He will learn quicker if it is you that leaves the room or stops playing, just like his litter mates would if he got too rough.
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Post by MontyDog » 16 Apr 2012, 08:59

Thanks everyone! I'm very glad to know that it's a phase and that he'll grow out of it! I know that dogs are chewers but was starting to worry that I am accidentally raising and attack dog by not breaking his habit of hand biting!

I shall continue to squeel and stop play when he's too rough. And I think that I shall add the yummy thing on hand to lick thing. That sounds like an excellent idea!

Thanks all!
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Re: Play Biting

Post by Tarot's Parents » 16 Apr 2012, 11:05

Is it just me or are people getting their puppies earlier and earlier these days? Trouble with taking such early delivery is that you are removing them from the natural [corrective] environment of their siblings and are limited due to vaccinations etc from socialising them which would be one of the biggest contributors to sorting out this kind of behaviour - dogs are so much better at communicating with each other and showing each other what hurts and what doesn't! Certainly for us, Tarot used to mouth a lot and his puppy teeth were sharp [they'll soon start dropping out anyway!] but as he got plenty of time to play with other puppies and then bigger dogs he soon learned what was acceptable and what wasn't. The behaviour, is of course, entirely normal etc and part of the learning/training process.

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Post by MontyDog » 16 Apr 2012, 13:39

Tarot's Parents wrote:Is it just me or are people getting their puppies earlier and earlier these days? Trouble with taking such early delivery is that you are removing them from the natural [corrective] environment of their siblings and are limited due to vaccinations etc from socialising them which would be one of the biggest contributors to sorting out this kind of behaviour - dogs are so much better at communicating with each other and showing each other what hurts and what doesn't! Certainly for us, Tarot used to mouth a lot and his puppy teeth were sharp [they'll soon start dropping out anyway!] but as he got plenty of time to play with other puppies and then bigger dogs he soon learned what was acceptable and what wasn't. The behaviour, is of course, entirely normal etc and part of the learning/training process.

W
Yes - puppies do seem to go very early. I got Monty at 8 weeks, which I think is an acceptable time. He does get lots of time with other dogs (friends and relative's dogs) and he's going to puppy socialisation this evening.
Although an adult dog would be the best one to teach him the rules of doggy life - he's only got me i'm afraid! Mostly he's very good and receptive but with the chewing he's a bit mental. As long as it's normal i'm not too worried about it - i just need to check that it IS normal!
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Post by Bid » 16 Apr 2012, 14:08

8 weeks is about right imo - they are ready to leave then, and learn about their new home.

I think there are 2 types of puppy biting - there is the nipping where they are learning what is acceptable and what isn't - this is a good thing because they learn how to control it, so when they are older and something happens like the get their tail trodden on, they can control their bite. (I think it helps ease the pain when you know it has a good ending :lol: ). As mentioned, the yelping and stopping the game usually stops this.

THe other kind of biting is when they get over excited or over tired, and have almost a frenzy of biting. This is when they need the timeout, because what they really need is to sleep, but they don't know that. I would put the puppy through the bedtime routine of out for wee/poo, then settle in the bed, with all the bedtime cues - if using a crate then put the puppy in the crate, leave it open, but you leave the room. Daisy was a devil for the overtired tantrums - I still have the holes in clothes to prove it! :lol:
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Post by MontyDog » 16 Apr 2012, 15:00

Bid wrote:8 weeks is about right imo - they are ready to leave then, and learn about their new home.

I think there are 2 types of puppy biting - there is the nipping where they are learning what is acceptable and what isn't - this is a good thing because they learn how to control it, so when they are older and something happens like the get their tail trodden on, they can control their bite. (I think it helps ease the pain when you know it has a good ending :lol: ). As mentioned, the yelping and stopping the game usually stops this.

THe other kind of biting is when they get over excited or over tired, and have almost a frenzy of biting. This is when they need the timeout, because what they really need is to sleep, but they don't know that. I would put the puppy through the bedtime routine of out for wee/poo, then settle in the bed, with all the bedtime cues - if using a crate then put the puppy in the crate, leave it open, but you leave the room. Daisy was a devil for the overtired tantrums - I still have the holes in clothes to prove it! :lol:
That is VERY interesting about the over-tired tantrums. You could be EXACTLY right about that. I hadn't thought about it like that. I will keep a close eye on when the tantrums happen and figure out what they correlate with. I think he is doing BOTH of these types of biting! Oh well - we'll get there. He already seems a little better today. Not so many puppy teeth marks on my poor hands and feet.....
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Re: Play Biting

Post by kirst4 » 16 Apr 2012, 19:52

ahhh its the 'other' biting that bella has been up to lately and getting quite snappy indeed! :x the usual telling off having little or no effect

she does this to everyone but me and this afternoon was almost snarly with my eldest :x

i now give her an immediate time out in the kitchen, no warning and no chances, have instructed everyone else to ignore her whilst in time out too
she soon calms down and sleeps and is back to her lovely self :D
she is in general a boistrous bouncy pouncy pain in the ass :roll: but theres a definate change from playful to painful at times and a timeout usually does the trick :)

kirst & bella x
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