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 Post subject: Using a long line on walks
PostPosted: 03 Jun 2016, 21:37 
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Hi,
Daisy is now 16 weeks old and I have been using a long line on the recommendation of the dog trainer who we have been seeing as part of puppy our puppy classes.
It has worked really well in that we can practice her recall and ensure she doesn't experience the pleasure of running off. Also, because she is so friendly, it prevents her from jumping all over people and dogs who don't welcome her attentions. I am sure it has prevented her from getting her face from being bitten off a number of times.
However, what are we supposed to do when we see a dog that is good to play with? I don't want to stop her doing that but with the lead on, even if I let go of it, she runs in circles often and ties up the humans and other dog and it is a bit of a health and safety issue. She wrapped it round an old lady's ankles today as she was playing with her dog and I had to jump in quickly to prevent a broken hip!
If anyone has experience of this I would be interested in how you dealt with this. To play with other dogs she needs to be off the lead but then she won't reliably come back and I have to rely on the other dog having a good recall, which undoes the point of the lead and she gets a taste of being able to ignore me. Any thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: Using a long line on walks
PostPosted: 03 Jun 2016, 22:13 
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Hi Jolly Jo and Daisy, I used long training lead for Holly and when she was on it she had to behave not play for the very reason you mention, it's very useful in early days of recall training outside and safety but until Daisy is really good with recall I would not let her off lead. I trained Holly all over house and garden, if I was upstairs I called her up and gave treat when she raced up stairs to me , if she was upstairs I called her down, treat again. Called her into the garden from indoors when she came a treat waited for her with lots of praise. It became a wonderful game of hide and seek with a treat if she came right away. Just repetition, repetition. Later I called and used a Whistle so she comes urgently if I use whistle now. Is there a secure field. I was lucky to be told of a "puppy safe field" in my area. So when I was happy with Holly's recall I let her off to play but always practiced recall many times especially when field was quiet. The recall I think is THE most important of all the teachings and still goes on with Holly although she is nearly 4. Good luck it takes time but well worth the effort.

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 Post subject: Re: Using a long line on walks
PostPosted: 03 Jun 2016, 22:18 
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I advise all new puppy owners to let them off lead straight away on their first walk! If you do that while they are still unsure of themselves they will always come back. When you wait until they are more confident they are more likely to run off to other dogs, and it becomes a big deal for you too.

Young puppies have a licence to misbehave with adult dogs, and they may get told off, but a well socialised adult will not hurt an inquisitive playful puppy, and the interaction is an essential part of the puppy's socialisation - it is how they learn to read a dog, and to know which are playful and which are not friendly. You can go with your puppy and chat to the owner while they play, then pratice your recall - most owners I meet are very helpful and happy to help with puppies.

The trick to recalling from play is to be more exciting than the other dog, which may involve food, squeaky toys, running away so your puppy chases you, generally making a huge song and dance about it, and having a mega party when your pup comes to you - I regularly make a complete idiot of myself when my dogs come back (and they are no longer puppies! :oops: )

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 Post subject: Re: Using a long line on walks
PostPosted: 04 Jun 2016, 18:08 
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Thank you for your replies and I can see the sense in both responses - even though they are diametrically opposed!
I did start having Daisy off lead from the very start and she came back every time as she was insecure, due to her age. As she got more confident she quickly stopped doing so and I started with the long lead. I have tried to let her play when we see an ideal dog with an owner happy to let her. I always check their dog has a good recall as if Daisy won't come for me, she will stay with the dog.
On a typical walk I try to let her do this once so she has experience of seeing dogs and not being able to play and then I give her permission occasionally. I do wonder if this is confusing her as she always dangles off the lead like a loony when I ask her to sit and wait til they pass. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, she gets to play and, in theory, I retain control.
So, today we have been out twice. We didn't see any dogs on the first walk and I practiced being exciting and her recall was good. Although she had the long line on, I didn't hold it and I didn't need to tug it.
On the second walk we saw a number of small dogs on leads so we either avoided them or practiced sitting and waiting till they passed. We then saw a spaniel who was not a puppy and the owner said if Daisy got too much her dog would put her in her place. I let her off the lead (so no one got tangled) and all was well. As I was about to call her back, another dog appeared out of nowhere. She got hyper excited and ignored me. I went to fetch her and I clipped her on but she was back to being a loony on a lead, ignoring me whilst I tried to be as exciting and enticing as possible. Short of putting a dog outfit on, lying on the floor barking and throwing sausages at her, I don't know what more i could have done!!
What would everyone else have done and what might I do next time?


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 Post subject: Re: Using a long line on walks
PostPosted: 04 Jun 2016, 19:49 
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Sorry I'm not sure how hold daisy is but she somehow has to learn. Also if you are worried it goes down the lead. You need to have treats on a walk that she loves but doesn't always have. Lulu is 4 and although I believe she will always come back I can still not guarantee it. I now use a whistle and she abouts turn and runs back as she knows she will always have a treAt. If she has her ball that doesn't work. You and your pup need to understand eAch other. I always believe pups are like babies. They have to learn and sometimes even if your child knows not to run off it still may when and if it sees anything better than you.

Always try and be consistent if you try different things to often nothing will work. Perhaps always try her recall in a place where there are distractions.


I hope this helps but everybody has different advice and you need to find the advice that works for you and you may find a complete different wAy of training

Good luck, try not to over worry. Let us k ow xxx

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 Post subject: Re: Using a long line on walks
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It is hard when they are young, espeially as some owners are a bit lacking in patience - the manic excitement does calm down eventually, and the more they get to greet and play, the less of a novelty it is for them. My Daisy got me into all sorts of embarassing situations as a puppy, but at as adult she can guage a dog from a distance, and knows if they are up for a game, need reassurance that she is friendly, or want to be left alone. It is an important learning curve, but obviously they do need supervision.

It the situation you describe, when the other dog appeared, if there is no problem with them playing, I would let them play for a bit - you have more chance of your recall working when she is getting bored or tired that way. I would start to introduce an end of play phrase, such as "I'm going now" or "let's go!"! I would also relax a little in the knowledge that I don't have as much of a problem as the absent owner who was probably wondering where the hell their dog was! :lol: :wink:

Something else worth trying is when you pass dogs on lead and Daisy is doing her crazy thing, is to have a special walk toy that you can produce and have a game with (I have a pocket tuggy toy), so that an approaching dog become a cue for a game with you - that way her attention is on you - if you ask her to sit she can do that but still be watching the other dog.

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