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 Post subject: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2014, 19:31 
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Hi All

I haven't been on the forum for a while but I am in a real quandry I truly don't know what to do.

I saw an advert for a Mini Labradoodle that needs a new home, she looked lovely in the picture, under a year old, spayed, apparently good with kids and other dogs, toilet trained with the odd accident, I am told she is an F1 and hardly sheds only comes out on when brushed.

They say they are rehoming her due to illness in the family and she has grown up with other dogs as part of a pack. What worries me is they say She is vet checked and very healthy but I don't know if they have up to date records and there are no papers from a breeder. They don't even know about hip scores and PRA tests etc.

It is a long way for us to travel nearly 4 hours there and 4 back and they want £400 for her they also said if we want her we have to take her that day when I would prefer to see her and think about it.

I wondered whether the above all sounds legit and what to do. She is scruffy/smooth coated and I am worried also that she may shed a lot amd the fact that she has been raised with 5 other dogs whether this could be a problem.

I really need some advice please because it is a decision I just can't make. I feel under pressure to take her as it is so far to travel also.
Thank you for any advice.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2014, 19:58 
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I rehomed Woody from an advert on this site. Can I suggest you

A) ask for their Vet's name and ring up
B) ask for the breeder's name. Find the number and ring up and have a chat. That may answer all your questions- it did in our case.
C) ask for the microchip number and ask your vet to check she is not stolen.

£400 is a lot for a rehomed dog - maybe you could negotiate. Can you make a day out of it?..

Good luck x

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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2014, 20:00 
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Hello

I'm a newish member with little experience of these wonderful dogs. I have a 9 month old F1 girl who is scruffy coated and hardly sheds, she was house trained at 14 weeks,with no accidents since, so I wonder how much human contact this dog has had, if she's still having accidents in the house at nearly a year. My instinct screams to avoid this seller. I think it's too much of a risk and could end up becoming very expensive and upsetting if there are health problems in the future.

Sorry - this is probably not what you're wanting to hear. On the other hand, she could very well be a lovely dog. I think the risks outweigh in the end.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2014, 21:41 
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Hi Flowers,

It can be very difficult, when you're looking for your 'forever dog', to make the right decision. But, it seems as if you are already having some doubts... I suppose I'm suggesting that, if you felt everything was okay, you'd be going for it...
I've seen on another forum that you should check out the owner's phone number on-line to see if they're actually breeders trying to sell on a 'remaindered' puppy.
As you probably already know, Ianto has HD, which means he has to have regular physio- and hydro-therapy; he will also face possible surgery and medication in the future as we have been told he will most likely suffer from early on-set arthritis. If I were you, I would want to know as much as possible about a dog's medical history, and its pedigree - including parents' health checks, etc.
This isn't to say that all dogs offered for sale/rehoming are going to have health or behavioural problems, by any means. And perhaps the £400 price tag is to discourage the sort of people who are looking for 'free' dogs for the wrong reasons. But I would have thought that the family would want to 'vet' you too - and if that meant you being able to visit and think about it, so be it. It does sound rather pressured.
Have you registered your interest in re-homing with the Doodle Trust (sorry if I've already asked you, I can't remember). They have a list of people waiting for doods and will contact you when a suitable one comes in to their care. You could suggest this family sign their dood over to the DT, where it will be fostered and properly assessed - hopefully, they'd be happy to do so for free if it means their doodle will be well-cared for and well-placed...
It is difficult, I know - I've been to see dogs in the past with a view to adopting, but you have to be certain it will work. Even with the dog I eventually adopted, I went to see him, then took my OH to see him and thought long and hard about it. (Needless to say, I'd already made up my mind really... :roll: )
If you do go to see this dog, don't be afraid to walk away if things don't look right.
Good Luck with your decision -
Anne & Ianto x


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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2014, 09:00 
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Thank you all so much, I do have doubts, it is weird that I wasn't asked any questions they didn't ask me if we had a garden, which vet we would go to etc. He sounded nice though and sent pictures of her to me but there are no papers as it was a friend who had a litter and he said he doesn't do papers which seemed strange to me, he said he saw the mum. I like the idea of emailing to ask about the vets details and microchip number etc that might show for certain whether they are legit.
Lanto, I haven't registered yet with the Doodle Trust but I think we will need to after this.


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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2014, 09:04 
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Coco and Annie wrote:
Hello

I'm a newish member with little experience of these wonderful dogs. I have a 9 month old F1 girl who is scruffy coated and hardly sheds, she was house trained at 14 weeks,with no accidents since, so I wonder how much human contact this dog has had,

Hi your Labradoodle is adorable just what I would be looking for, did you rehome him from this site or an advert? How did you know that the people you got him from were legitimate?
The Labradoodle we are considering is with 5 other dogs and regularly sees the members of their family but I am just not sure if I believe it all or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2014, 10:23 
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We think that if you have doubts then Walk away. The fact that the man says that the breeder does not do,paperwork sounds very suspicious. When we went to see Scooby we had lots of questions to ask and Rachel, the breeder, vetted us as well! We also had the full family tree, saw her mam, she was microchipped, had all her vaccinations, hip scores etc. We found this forum vital in researching the questions we needed to ask.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2014, 10:47 
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I am definitely inclined to agree, I have some niggles but the dog is gorgeous!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2014, 12:04 
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Hello Flowers

We got Coco from a small family breeder near Carlisle from an advert from Pets4homes. It was a 4 hours drive each way for us, ( we live near Aberdeen) so before I went, I spoke to the breeder in depth and checked her parents had been hip scored and PRA tested. The breeder did ask me questions about our background and took contact details to keep a record of where her puppies were going. I was given paperwork showing her ancestry and pedigree also.

The breeder lived on a farm and Coco was raised by an aga in the kitchen. She seemed very well socialised. She has a wonderful, friendly and enthusiastic personality, although she is quite excitable, like many young doods.

Unfortunately we are waiting to find out whether she may have a hip problem in the future as she had an x ray at 5 months when she was diagnosed with hip laxity (loose hips). She's having another X Ray next month when she's spayed, to see if this problem has corrected itself. She seems fine so I'm very hopeful all will be well. Apparently hip problems are a recessive gene that can go back several generations, so just because the parents are fine, doesn't mean the puppy will be too.

If you do go ahead, make sure you have top quality Insurance in place BEFORE the first visit to the vets.

Hope this helps

Annie and Coco

Forgot to say - can you post a link to the advert so we can have a wee look at the dog?

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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2014, 12:33 
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Hi Annie & Coco - I have sent you a PM :D


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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2014, 17:42 
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Annie is right about the parents having good scores not being a completely reliable indicator - both Ianto's had excellent scores! As far as I understand it, a recessive gene needs to be present in both lines to come through (but I'm not a genetics expert, so stand to be corrected on this...) But being able to check the scores/results of previous generations would help.
She is also spot-on re: getting good insurance in place before the first vet visit - any problems found there will usually not be covered if you leave getting insurance until afterwards. Not worth the risk, especially with a 'rescue' dood...
Anne & Ianto x

Edited to add: Nearly forgot to say - try to make your decision based on your head, rather than being swayed by a pretty face! :roll: Be hard-hearted, don't look at the photo - just the facts... x


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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2014, 22:46 
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I had a response to the questions I asked them about contacting their vet and microchip details they said "Sorry still looking for her vet card I am sorry but would not be to happy give any her chip number I have go the paper work for it because if give it u can change her details if u pay £300 is a bit low will be in touch tomz when found her card"
They did not answer my question if I could have vet details or contact the breeder friend. Should I walk away based on this answer I received?


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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2014, 23:58 
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Is this a rhetorical question? :roll:

(If not, my advice would be yes, ...and don't look back!)

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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 07 Nov 2014, 10:10 
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I think I am answering my own question and will have to walk away it is just upsetting to think about these poor dogs who are left with people who don't care about them.


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 Post subject: Re: Do you think this is legitimate?
PostPosted: 07 Nov 2014, 12:07 
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Walk away! Don't let your heart rule your head! Very difficult I know but it will be worth it in the long run! The right pup us out there for you, try to be patient if you can!

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