Breeding

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cades1066
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Breeding

Post by cades1066 » 09 Jul 2009, 15:51

i take it with all these dogs keep being bred that the owners do realise they need a dog breeding licence to advertise the pups in newspapers internet sites etc or they can be taken to court for this as i found out we can all bred dogs but you must have a dog licence whether it is one litter or 6 litters if you are advertising a litter and you can check if the person has a litter by ringing your local council so i have been informed by the local council and that you can also end up in prison for 6mths bit scary really i thought just thought i would let you all know.They are clamping down on dog breeders that just want to make money over and over and the tax man then becomes involved.
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Re: Breeding

Post by Lola » 09 Jul 2009, 16:07

thats new to me!

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Post by Barneyboy » 09 Jul 2009, 16:53

Technically that is true, but 'However, in a vast majority of cases the Local Authority will follow generally accepted guidelines and presume that a person will be carrying on the business of breeding dogs for sale where, during any twelve month period, five or more litters are born to his/her bitch or bitches which are:
• kept by him/her at any premises during any period of 12 months
• kept by any relative of his/her at those premises
• kept by him/her elsewhere
• kept by any person under a breeding arrangement with him/her.' - taken from http://www.telford.gov.uk/Council+democ ... eeding.htm
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Post by cades1066 » 09 Jul 2009, 20:29

Sorry no if they are being advertised for profit and gain you need a licence if you have one litter or 6 it makes no difference they are checking out sites like these for breeders that are not licenced!! just warning you all!! a licence cost about £250 For a year plus vets checks and also you cant let them whelp in your kitchen due to health and safety
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Post by Carole g » 09 Jul 2009, 21:51

The law is that you require a licence if you breed 5 or more litters or you breed "as a business". The attitude to this varies from council to council. The law was designed to protect the genuine hobby (agility, showing, tracking, obedience etc) breeder who is very unlikely to profit from their dogs and breeds to keep a puppy in the pursuit of their hobby and sells the excess. Breeding in itself cannot be considered a hobby. If you have 2 or 3 litters a year with regular adverts it is a fair assumption that it is a small business not really a hobby however much enjoyment you may get from your puppies and breeding plan, and several councils make the assumption and will send the Animal Licensing Officer around

Of course, once you are required to have a licence you then are obliged to maintain conditions satisfactory to the council animal licensing department. You will also receive a tax demand. So cades1066 is completely correct, whelping facilities are not allowed in food preparation areas and generally once there are many breeding bitches, whelping facilities will probably be in external kennels to maintain satisfactory hygiene and adequate space for multiple litters.

If councils are making people think more carefully before embarking on breeding for profit then that is probably a good thing.
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Post by cades1066 » 10 Jul 2009, 09:19

I think so as it means pups will be checked more often and people cant just jump on the band wagon like they are doing!!
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Post by Cazter101 » 09 Feb 2012, 13:25

cades1066 - You are completely wrong - As stated by another
If you have 5 or more litters in any 12 month period then you must apply for a licence.

No one has Looked at this as I do..

If every Hobby breeder who has one or two litters a year, was to have to apply for a licence then they would have to have more litters and more bitches to cover the costs and tax resulting from being a 'business'.

This would in turn mean that the time spent with each dog and each puppy would be lowered - less time for walks, less time for socialising a litter well and teaching them basic manners etc.

I speak from experiance - all of my dogs get a long walk every day, all my pups are very confident, healthy and well used to lots of attention and love.

But if I was forced to become a business - I would have to have double the litters I have and double the amount of breeding bitches - the time spent on them would be dramatically decreased - and therefore I wouldn't do this.

I care very much about all of my dogs and they are a part of my family, and I will never become any version of a puppy farm.

If that allowance of 4 litters per 12 months wasn't there - then there would be ten times the amount of puppy farms.

Having had the experiance of seeing pups kept outside - and being so scared of their owner and breeder that they will not go any where close to her - I would never wish for more of these places!

Do you cades1066?

The law protects them as far as a pre-booked check up on the breeders facilities, but the mental wellbeing of those breeding bitches and litters are not.
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Post by Bid » 09 Feb 2012, 13:50

cades1066 wrote:i take it with all these dogs keep being bred that the owners do realise they need a dog breeding licence to advertise the pups in newspapers internet sites etc or they can be taken to court for this as i found out we can all bred dogs but you must have a dog licence whether it is one litter or 6 litters if you are advertising a litter and you can check if the person has a litter by ringing your local council so i have been informed by the local council and that you can also end up in prison for 6mths bit scary really i thought just thought i would let you all know.They are clamping down on dog breeders that just want to make money over and over and the tax man then becomes involved.
It's not strictly true .... what the breeding of dogs act says is .... "Under this legislation, any person who keeps a breeding establishment for dogs at any premises and carries on at those premises a business of breeding dogs for sale must obtain a licence from the local authority. Those people who are not in the business of breeding dogs for sale, so called “hobby breeders”, and produce less than five litters in any period of 12 months do not need to obtain a licence." - at least that is what the Defra site says :|
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Re: Breeding

Post by Adam Lindley » 09 Feb 2012, 20:55

Hi Carole, nice to see you back! :) I guess the answer is for anyone thinking of breeding to speak with their local council. Most councils would rather provide advice rather than take enforcement action anyway.

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Post by Bruggesmum » 10 Feb 2012, 20:44

Adam Lindley wrote:Hi Carole, nice to see you back! :) I guess the answer is for anyone thinking of breeding to speak with their local council. Most councils would rather provide advice rather than take enforcement action anyway.
Adam i think you will find that the post from Carole was from July 2009, she is busy with family life these days.

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Re: Breeding

Post by Adam Lindley » 10 Feb 2012, 21:51

A thread resurrected from the past :oops: . ANyhoo - best wishes regardless!

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Re: Breeding

Post by linny » 11 Feb 2012, 20:22

:o :o Goodness who resurrected this one.
I thought Carole was back too Adam.... :roll:

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