Breeding , is it for you?

[Sharon]

Obviously for pedigree dogs, the breeder can endorse litters, which gives breeders more control over their stock. .... we do not sadly have that option.

But you can have a puppy sales contract!!!!

Yes, Barb, but as you know they are not really worth the paper they are written on !

I give out a puppy sales contract TO EVERY NEW OWNER actually - but I can only HOPE they adhere to it - it is not legally binding...
If puppy sales contracts WERE legally binding there would be no need for the Kennel Club to give breeders the option to endorse litters surely ?

I am actually rather offended since your comment implies that you have simply assumed I do NOT give out a sales contract with my puppies ...

[Barb]

I wasn't referring to you as a person, I was referring to "you" as anyone who happened to be reading. Perhaps I should have said "one" instead, but I didn't want to sound posh.
I really wasn't implying anything so please don't take offence .

Puppy sales contracts are legally binding, depending on how they are worded, if they are witnessed. I have a lawyer working on one that will be watertight as we speak. (Or should I say as we type .)

[Sharon]

Barb that is ok ..... it is so easy to misinterpret things on a forum.

[Poob]

Some people are easily offended

[Sharon]

Some people are easily offended

And some people comment on things that don't concern them.

[itsmeisitu2]

Some people are easily offended

And some people comment on things that don't concern them.

lmfao Sharon

[Sharon]

Some people are easily offended

And some people comment on things that don't concern them.

lmfao Sharon

lol

[chelsea]

In a quandary. I have 2 gorgeous doodles, a bitch and a dog. Both have fantastic temperaments, are in excellent condition, come from good breeders, carry no genetic faults to my knowledge, have had all their relevant health tests and passed with flying colours. Originally I planned to have a litter from them and have been approached by several people who would like a pup (all of whom I know personally and would be happy with as owners). I would also be keeping a pup from the litter myself. I have done a vast amount of research into breeding and I am confident that I have considered the pros and cons and I have made arrangements to ensure any pups born will be well reared and socialised within my own home.
I have, however, recently become slightly disillusioned with the whole breeding business. It seems everytime I read the forum there is another sad story of a dog requiring a new home, or pups being advertised for vast amounts of money in newspaper ads etc. In addition it appears that everyone who owns a doodle now wants to become a breeder. Postings from the well established breeders seem to be discouraging new breeders( some of whom possibly have dogs from their own previous litters) whilst continuing to breed litters themselves. I feel I am a responsible and caring owner and I only want what is best for what is a fantastic new breed of dog, however I am in a dilemma. My dogs would have only one litter of pups as I would like to be able to take back any pups that find themselves 'unsuitable' for their new homes for any reason. I would be devastated if a pup I had bred was advertised for rehoming in a newspaper where he/she could be purchased and used for breeding by any unscrupulous person. So, do I go forward with my plan and add to the gene pool for this new breed with good healthy stock or scrap my idea, neuter my dogs and let the more established breeders get on with it?
I look forward to your comments

[Carole g]

Ive read your posts with interest, Chelsea, you clearly adore your dogs and are thinking carefully, particularly as you could mate them this cycle. You've put your finger on the problem though with your comment

it appears that everyone who owns a doodle now wants to become a breeder

Personally I would like this huge flush of new puppies to grow up before any new breeders produce more. If you still have this commitment when Scarlet turns 3 and the market has maybe become less manic then that might be a better time to produce a litter.
Whatever you do, youll continue to enjoy your two as you obviously do. Being a responsible breeder is expensive, the result is uncertain, and at the end you fear for the pups you send out into the world. I know I do.

[GUNNER]

For what it's worth Carole that was really nicely and well said.

[donakell]

Im going back to the so called " Poncy "coats in poodes!!!

Obviously havent done your homework properly!!!!

The poncy coats is going back to the working lines of poodles...which you are forgetting...poodles were retrieving water dogs!!!! if full coat or even a short puppy trim...this wasnt the clip that a working poodle was designed for...all the poncy parts were for a reason..not fashion!!!.. a full coated unclipped poodle would drown when retrieving game...

I have both types of clipped poodles...some in pet trim and some in show trim..
Show trim isnt cruel or fashion orientated... it is for a reason..and showing poodles in full clip is the way they were designed originally..they same way as any other breed...

ok show clip isnt everyones cup of tea..but dont miscall people who do think it is nice...theres nothing more stunning than a well bred poodle in full show clip..never mind the work involved getting him or her like that!!!
Its not poncy at all but a work of art!!!! And desinged for the orginal purpose!!! not fashion!!

[Labradorable]

I have to laugh at the 'poncy poodle' thing.

When I first had my standard poodle trimmed, I had her done in the teddy bear clip which I loved and thought really suited her. Then we moved house and I was looking for a new groomer.

Someone fairly local was recommended to me by a neighbour and I phoned to make an appointment for Daisy. When the woman asked me what I wanted, I said... well I don't want the poncy poodle clip, just the teddy bear trim.

Her answer..... well all mine have poncy poodle clips because I breed and show them.

Oooops!

I have to say though that I now get 'the poncy poodle clip'. Firstly I didn't like that her face was shaved so close, but I have recently changed groomer, and the lady I have now does a brilliant job on her and she looks so pretty. I just love her in trousers

[itsmeisitu2]

Donakell , im not miscalling people who like the clip Im stating my own opinion and that is I THINK THEY LOOK PONCY . Not many men would be seen dead walking a poodle with that clip and poodles looking like that are generally laughed at ,you know it to be true wether u like it or not.

And are you telling me when poodles were used in the water for retrieving the owners would spend ages and ages before hand with the sprays and blow dryers makin them look like show people do, just to get them messed up in the water ? I dont think so . Show people have took it to an extreme , like u said a work of art, its a dog not something thats going to be hung on a museum wall . I also think Donakell we should agree to disagree as well because you know as well as I do that you and I cannot get along at all and this will just end up being a personal attack from you on me as usual and Im not about to take any more of that thankyou. So if you have anything further to say to me please do it privately for a change . Hope you are well
all the best

[Sharon]

And are you telling me when poodles were used in the water for retrieving the owners would spend ages and ages before hand with the sprays and blow dryers makin them look like show people do, just to get them messed up in the water ?

LMAO

No offence to poodle exhibitors but that did make me laugh ...

personally I don't have a problem with the show clips (I think they look beautiful in the ring) but Donna does have a point there LOL.

[donakell]

When you state opinions on a public forum it is better not to say things that other people can take as miscalling a "certain aspect of their types of dogs" too especially a Doodle or Poodle forum..as it is obvious someone else will have a different opinion

Obviously showing dogs you take it to the extreme and anyone who has any sense would know that they arent sprayed and fluffed when they are working just clipped out in the trim...

Any dog show whether a poodle or Doodle show people bath them and groom them to show them off to their best advantage, surely!!

Obviously dogs arent show to be hung on walls unless I missed the point...
you show to let people see you have a good dog and to try and promote your lines..the same as Doodle breeders are doing..to further the breed and Im sure when Doodles are a recongnised breed people will be dying to show them off too...no one takes a smelly dog to a dog show..the same as we dont have nights out being smelly or half dressed...

Again I am missing the point about private attacks..surely it is you who is replying back in an antagonistic manner..I replied back to a post about poodle coats which I would defend on any forum including our own..I dont think I mentioned names either
I was staing my point not miscalling anyone..just defending "Poncy show clips"
What some people call "Poncy " is the tradional cut for poodles and people who do show and groom poodles are proud of them looking like that..not everyones cup of tea I may add but part of the poodle tradition..