IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

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IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by wobble.gob » 15 May 2014, 12:58

Ozzy has suspected IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

He's on metronidazole for the next few days, plus pro-kolin. I have to get 3 stool samples from him over 3 days, as they want to rule out any other possible reasons for his tummy upsets, but she said it's more than likely IBD. He is also on Royal Canin Gastro-Intestinal food.

He's lost nearly a kg of weight too, my poor little man.

Has anyone any experience on this? I have read up about it, but if anyone has any personal advice it would be really appreciated.

Debbie & Ozzy xxx
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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by swardie » 15 May 2014, 14:15

Sorry to hear your news. I've no experience of IBD from a canine perspective, but have many years of experience from the human side as my hubbie has Crohn's disease. I think the medication that you've been prescribed calms down the inflammation. But if it follows the same course as the human form, each flare can leave scarring in the bowel, so narrowing can happen. Hope it all goes well for you. X

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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by Jasper » 15 May 2014, 15:36

Hi Wobble.gob,
There are a couple of us IBD owners on here so you're not alone. Important thing is not to panic - it can be managed.
I have to rush out at the moment, but I just wanted to make contact.
Will leave a more helpful post tomorrow.

Jo and Jasper
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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by stout » 15 May 2014, 16:19

Hello!

Stout has IBD - he was only diagnosed in February. He was on Royal canine too. We are just at the stage where we have started to reintroduce food to him. He is currently eating Turkey and butternut squash - today is his first day of sweet potato too.

Stout lost a fair amount of weight too when he was ill - he has managed to put it back on (and a bit extra :roll: ). He has got his energy back, and has enough in reserve for being naughty :roll: .

The tummy meds seem to do the job quite quickly, and he will be a lot brighter when they do kick in.

Be careful when he does feel better that he doesn't eat anything he shouldn't (Stout managed 3 blueberry muffins).

You can get the Royal Canine cheaper from Zooplus by the way!

I know Jaspers mum and dad are a bit further down the line than we are. Feel free to message us if you have any questions that we might be able to help with. Give him a cuddle from us
Cheers,

Chris, Michelle & Stout

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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by BEE BEE » 15 May 2014, 16:47

Sorry no personale experiance but I do hope you get it sorted soon. Our thoughts are with you both.





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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by Bid » 15 May 2014, 18:04

Daisy's sister was diagnosed with IBD, but it turned out to be an intolerance to dairy food (the vet kept saying to give her cottage cheese when she had diarrhoea!)
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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by Jasper » 16 May 2014, 10:44

Hi Wobble.gob,
Hope you're sat with a cuppa - its an essay :lol: :lol:
Back again :) This is just our experience of IBD and I think we've got off lightly so far!
Jasper was diagnosed with IBD last year. Our vet sent him to Bristol vet school for a rectal camera (forget the proper name for this procedure). He has a list of trigger allergens which is only dairy, beef, lamb and rice. (nothing like poor Stouty-pants list!)
It is obvious when he has had something from his naughty list because he moans with a tummyache and his stools are like "cuckoo spit" watery bubbles or gravy. (Sorry). If he gets properly sick, or his cuckoo spit lasts more than a day then I phone the vet. but touch wood - we're doing ok and can manage him with a raw diet alone - with carefully selected training treats.
Unfortunately, because we need the pure ingredients his treats are at a premium price! :shock: I think Stouts m & d have a dehydrator to get round this.

Jasper has the added health complication with his joints (anti-inflammatories can aggravate poorly digestive systems - except Onsior). So he is 1/2 a tramadol a day, a sprinkle capsule of glucosamine and an Onsior. He is also on a course of Cartrophen (?) injections at the moment, with a view to starting hydrotherapy.
Sorry for the essay :roll: but there's a lot of information to get down.
Hope you've stayed with me this far.
Basically I want you to know that the hard, scary part is where you are now; with the diagnosis and finding your feet with his diet, once you get over that bit - then it just becomes part of life.
good luck and keep in touch.

Jo and Jasper

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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by wobble.gob » 16 May 2014, 12:42

Hi Jo, thanks for getting back to me. It's nice to be able to get support from the forum, especially from people who have had experience with things like this.

It seems Jasper has had abit of a rough ride, but you've clearly been able to support him and give him food which agrees with him.

The vet seems to think it is IBD, due to all him symptoms (bloody/mucus poo, gurgly tummy, weight loss, loss of appetite) but wants to do a few tests to rule out anything else - starting off with stool samples. I'm, in a way, happy they are doing the tests as I would like to know for certain what it is. The vet also mentioned a colonoscopy to get a biopsy of his bowels.

He seems alot better already, he is still on metronidazole and pro-kotin - but is really enjoying the Royal Canin Gastro-Intestinal food. He has 2 1/2 cans a day, over 3 meals as I don't want give him all of it at once. But I would be interested in what foods I can gradually start introducing him on. The Royal Canin is expensive, working out at approx £150 a day, but I want to make sure I keep the IBD under control before I introduce anything else like treats etc.

Thank you so much for you help so far!

Debbie & Ozzy xxx
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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by Jasper » 16 May 2014, 13:48

Hi Wobble.gob,
Colonoscopy - that's the term I couldn't think of earlier. :roll:
Post-colonoscopy; be prepared for an unhappy boy as, I think, they inflate the digestive system to give the camera crew room and poor Jasper had a massive tummyache afterwards. He paced around pretty much all night so hubby stayed up with him for cuddles and reassurance.
Your description of symptoms sounds exactly like how Jasper was, I forgot to say about the mucus and bloody bits! yuck :wink:

As far as food goes, it takes a bit of trial and error to get it right. Is your vet testing him for allergies? As this will give you a broad idea of which ingredients to avoid!
Poor Jasper started life on Hills Science diet :oops: and only the protein sources showed up on his naughty list. It took ages for us to figure it out the rice bit, bless him. Cos when he was really poorly we were reaching for the bland chicken and rice. Doh! Once we changed it to potato and chicken, it sorted itself out.
We turned to a local raw food distributer after chatting to fellow dog walkers who had allergy ridden dogs. It's a bit ick, but it works for us although its not everybodys cup of tea.
Good luck with the diagnosis.
Jo and Jasper
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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by stout » 16 May 2014, 15:01

We had Stout hair and blood allergy tested. He was originally on Hills venison and potato, then when the tests came back potato was one of the items on the list (along with white rice and maize), it was obvious he was having a problem digesting it, so he got put on the Royal Canine (know what you mean about the price, it is ridiculous, Zooplus was cheaper than our vet). After 6 weeks on the Royal Canine we started reintroducing stuff by avoiding anything that was on his intolerances list. We changed him over to turkey very gradually over a two week period. We then added some squash for a week (for the veg part), and now we are adding sweet potato (for the carbs bit), we will leave him on that for a week then we are going to add salmon oil. We have been doing poo inspections to try to spot any problems (thanks for the tip Jaspers mum!), although stout seems to respond by being sick rather than having problems the 'other' end.

We also did the poo sample thing, I think some infections can cause the same problems. Stout had an ulcerated stomach. He had two endoscopies, and he was also uncomfortable after.

Stout was previously on raw as we had always suspected he had a problem with grains. He was on a ready mixed version which included spinach (on his list) and we used to change the meat quite often (chicken and duck also came up). We are currently cooking turkey for him, but are aiming to get him back on raw. It is a bit of a pain mixing his food, but at least we know what he is eating if there is a problem.

We do have a dehydrator for treats, but we also cook up bits of turkey. We dried some squash the other day, which he absolutely loved.

The only medication he has regularly is probiotic powder. We keep some antepcin and zantac in the cupboard in case he needs it.

As Jo said, we are finding it a lot easier to cope with now he is feeling better in himself and we have found something he can eat. It is still really scary when we try him on something new, and everytime he coughs etc one of us is there like a shot.

Keep us updated
Cheers,

Chris, Michelle & Stout

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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by Florrie! » 17 May 2014, 15:05

Hello!

Florrie is another doodle on here with IBD. She was diagnosed I think just over 2 years ago after I took her to see an Internal Medicine Specialist at Anderson Moores Vet Specialists in Hampshire. The last straw came for me one night when I'd had to get up to Florrie (a common occurrence back then) to let her out as she was whining and barking in pain. I let her out in the garden where she promptly had severe, watery, horrendous smelling diarrhoea, she literally just finished pooing, stood up and promptly vomited everywhere, she couldn't stop and it just kept coming, she was choking herself on it, there was so much. It was awful, I just couldn't believe the amount that was there, she looked so awful afterwards though. I had to get my Mum up at 3am to come and help me clear up the garden it was that bad!

I had been back and forth with Florrie to our local vet since I got her at 8 weeks old, we went through test after test but the vomiting and diarrhoea continued. She was then diagnosed with Hypothyroidism which could have been causing some of her symptoms, although things continued after her thyroid treatment started. After a load of different specialist tests and stomach and bowel biopsies that our own vets couldn't do, she was diagnosed with IBD. She also has slightly delayed swallowing, so her oesophagus doesn't empty as quick as it should. She was also allergy tested and she's allergic to pretty much most protein sources and a number of grasses and pollens.

Florrie was in an awful state by the time we took her to the specialists, she had been ill for about 18 months so she was severely underweight, had muscle atrophy (wastage) on her head and chest, she was vomiting daily, which caused Gastritis and Esophagitis, she had daily bouts of chronic diarrhoea that had blood and mucous in it, she was depressed, lethargic and basically was starting to give up. She felt so ill all the time that she just couldn't be bothered anymore.

After the diagnosis, the vet at Anderson Moores, changed her food over. By this point in time we'd already tried cutting out all her allergens, raw feeding novelty protein sources only, we'd tried different prescription foods, different kibbles, different complete wet foods but nothing ever seemed to work for very long. Just when we thought she was ok to have a particular diet, the symptoms would all come back with a vengeance. She is now on Eukanuba Dermatosis FP which the specialist put her onto, she's been on it now for nearly 2 years and seems to do well on it. Her allergies are still not 100% under control but may never be. She has chronic skin disease and at different times throughout the year, she has skin, ear and eye issues due to her environmental allergies.
Food wise, she ONLY gets her own food and that's it. She does have to have daily meds so has a teaspoon of coconut oil with her tablets in which she LOVES! If she needs a treat for any reason, then she gets a tiny amount of coconut oil which she's happy with!

It took us a long time to get Florrie under control, she too was on Metronidazole and even now if she has an IBD flare up, she is prescribed them. They were amazing for Florrie, the difference in her was immediate. She also used to have either Antepsin or Emipred and and antacids to help with the Gastritis and esophagitis.

Florrie is currently at the tail end of a Gastritis flare up which has caused a bad case of esophagitis. Her oesophagus was severely ulcerated which was causing her to vomit and causing a lot of pain. She's much better now although still on her meds for it for at least another week (4 weeks in total). Because of her antacids she's on for the vomiting, she had to be put onto a really high dose to help the ulcers to heal to prevent infection, the high dose gave her diarrhoea though, so she was in danger of having an IBD flare up. Her dose has been halved again now though so some days her poo's are fine but other days, they're on the loose side.

From a personal point of view, I found the initial diagnosis a relief because I finally had a reason for all of Florrie's symptoms. It was a scary time for us all though because if her symptoms couldn't be brought under control then we would of had to have her put to sleep because of her bad condition. She does have a few other health issues too but her gut plays a major role in her other conditions. If she is having a stomach flare up then she will get skin infections, urine infections, anal gland infections. Her thyroid is the only thing that is really well controlled!

It took us a lot of trial and error to work out her food and meds balance that suited her but now that we have, things have been brilliant for her. The vet was only saying the other day that Florrie hasn't been in to see them for vomiting or diarrhoea for nearly 2 years! She's back and forth for other things but her gut has been really good.

I really hope you manage to get things sorted as I know what it's like. It was a difficult time for us, there's no quick fix but if you stick to a regime that works then things become much easier.

If you have any questions at all then feel free to ask, I've become a bit of an expert on Florrie's medical conditions as she's so complex! :lol:

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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by wobble.gob » 19 May 2014, 11:24

I handed in Oz's poo samples on Friday, he has a follow up appointment on Wednesday - so hopefully I will have the results then. I also popped him on the scales on Friday too, and he has already put a little bit of weight back on.

I think the next steps are the endoscopy (I am not looking forward to that!) I can imagine it is pretty awful for them, especially with the awful tummy ache after. I am also going to ask for Oz to be tested for allergies, as then at least I will know what not to give him, as you said as soon as Oz has a turn I automatically turn to the fish and rice and bless him, it could be doing more harm than good!

I found it so hard this weekend as we went to a friends BBQ and it was torture for poor Ozzy. I did catch my friends little girl giving him some crisps!! Luckily it was only 1 or 2, so thankfully there were no repercussions!

Ozzy is still loving the Royal Canin (I have just ordered more online, £15 cheaper than the vets!). I tried him on the raw when he was a little younger, he turned his nose up at it and I haven't tried it since - but come to think of it, I think it was around the time of a bad flare up.

Thank you everyone for all you support so far, and be warned - I am going to be asking more and more questions in due time :D

Stouts mum - I am hoping to do the same and start reintroducing stuff once I know where we are with the diagnosis and allergies etc. Dare I ask what is involved with the poo inspections? :lol: I will also have a look into the dehydrator for treats, as Ozzy is very much food orientated. He goes to training and I use chicken as a bribe - what could I use in the mean time? Also, where do you get the probiotic powder from? I was thinking about buying more Pro-kolin and keeping it in the cupboard, just in case.

Tasha - thank you so much for your help, and you are quite local to me as I am in Gosport. I'm so glad to hear Florrie is now ok, it must have been such a worrying time for you. I was also starting to give Ozzy coconut oil before this last flare up, he LOVES it! I wasn't sure if I should give him any at the moment??

I can't thank you all enough. I will keep you posted.

Debbie & Ozzy xxx
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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by Jasper » 19 May 2014, 13:26

Its a small world! I was brought up in Widley, and dad keeps his boat at Portchester. We love walking round the castle and playing fields.
Glad to hear Florrie is still going strong, I remember reading about her when we first joined.
Wobble.gob - poo inspections require picking it up (wherever it lands) and having a jolly good stare at it! :lol: :lol: :lol: We must look like real weirdos. (backed up by having a doodle of course.
We give Jasper veg sticks which come in a range of colours. We've found the colour of his poo is a good marker to work out his transit time. :lol: Also, the odd sock goes through :roll: :roll: .
Fingers crossed for the poo samples, glad he's showing signs of recovery.

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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by stout » 19 May 2014, 14:07

wobble.gob wrote: Stouts mum - I am hoping to do the same and start reintroducing stuff once I know where we are with the diagnosis and allergies etc. Dare I ask what is involved with the poo inspections? :lol: I will also have a look into the dehydrator for treats, as Ozzy is very much food orientated. He goes to training and I use chicken as a bribe - what could I use in the mean time? Also, where do you get the probiotic powder from? I was thinking about buying more Pro-kolin and keeping it in the cupboard, just in case.
I would keep an eye on his weight - Stout was on a diet before his flare up and was down to 29.5 kg, he got down to 28ish when he was sick, after being on the Royal Canine for six weeks he was up to 32kg, so we are back to trying to get some off.

When Stout has a poo one of us rushes out and checks the consistency, also when he was on the potato food it had a strange grey coating - apparently a sign they are not digesting properly. Chris takes him to work and he goes to the park in the morning, so I get lunchtime updates to (yum!)

The only treats Stout had for the six weeks were bits of the Royal Canine Kibble, as we have reintroduced stuff we have given him bits of those when we were happy he didn't have a reaction. We were very careful to make sure that was all he ate I think the aim is it 'resets' their stomachs, so things they have previously reacted shouldn't cause an issue (but we have tried to avoid them!). He did manage to nick 3 blueberry muffins when he went to stay with his granny and got two random treats from people, thankfully he was fine. If you are going to have allergy tests done, I would steer clear of everything else until they come back. One of Stouts was coconut oil (among many others!). We brought Stout a kong wobbler to have his kibble in just to make it more interesting for him. Is Oz on the wet/dry version (Stout had both - but the kibble is a bit cheaper)

The powder comes from the vet and so isn't the world cheapest (£70 a time I think, but I have worked out his food is costing £1 a day made from scratch), I haven't been able to find it elsewhere. We have a stash of pro kolin in the cupboard along with his belly meds (hopefully that way we can avoid an emergency trip to the vet).
Cheers,

Chris, Michelle & Stout

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Re: IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)

Post by wobble.gob » 22 May 2014, 11:18

I took Ozzy to the vets yesterday for a check up and to see if the poo results have come back.

He hasn't put any weight on, he is still 20.5kg and his results have yet to come back.

I was only saying to the vet yesterday how well Ozzy is doing (poo's are a lot better, not 100%) and how he seems to be really enjoying his food. The vet prescribed him another week of metronidazole just to try and get his poos back to normal. Depending on the results of his poo, the next step will be to take his bloods and lastly an endoscopy if nothing is picked up.

However, he's now off his food :( I put his dinner down for him last night (Royal Canin Gastro) he had a few mouthfuls then turned his nose up at it, and this morning he wasn't interested in it at all. He is on the wet version, which he has been enjoying - but I think I may try him on the dry too.

I can't help but worry about him. He's fine in himself, still a typical doodle - it's just I want him to be able to enjoy his food and not have tummy ache! I wish I could make him better!!

I count myself lucky I have yet to have children!!!

Debs & Ozzy xxx
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